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Jan Panteltje
2024-10-04 06:50:25 UTC
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On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
A few innocents were hurt or killed in attacking the Hezbolla
terrorists. That's regrettable but longterm probably many more Israeli
lives were saved. Government and warfare both require brutal
calculations.
The pager thing was very target-specific, as opposed to, say, bunker
buster bombs.
I nevr could get a handle on the innocents in a war. Fine for the US to
firebomb or nuke Japan and kill thousands of people that were not in the
military. But do not kill one or two that are not in the military in
those Arab countries. The way I look at it if the countries over there
do not want the civilians killed get rid of the terrorists.
The Arabs do not really want to fight, just agervate each other. They
should get in an all out war and get it over with. I am almost for
giving each of those countries a couple of short range nuclear missles
and tell them to eiter shoot or shut up.
There is only one terrorist
It is the US making war away from their bed to sell weapons!
That nothanyahoo and shitlensky are sales agents.
even kids shooting each other with automatic guns, even at schools.

I am not sure evolution has a place for a species like that.
Most of the world is uniting now against that US
A trump win may help delay the armageddon but then he wants to attack Iran it seems.
US is a dead joke anyways, millions without power now due to some storm and flooding
HOW LONG did it have to prepare for that??? Not gives no shit for its own people.
All that weapon industry man power could have build a nice infrastructure.
Now California earthquakes are increasing..
Not even a combined nuclear attack by the rest of the world needed to obliterate that
not so united S (S for shit ;-)?
But keep asking
Darwin applies
No empire lasted forever.
Bill Sloman
2024-10-04 14:09:42 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
A few innocents were hurt or killed in attacking the Hezbolla
terrorists. That's regrettable but longterm probably many more Israeli
lives were saved. Government and warfare both require brutal
calculations.
The pager thing was very target-specific, as opposed to, say, bunker
buster bombs.
I nevr could get a handle on the innocents in a war. Fine for the US to
firebomb or nuke Japan and kill thousands of people that were not in the
military. But do not kill one or two that are not in the military in
those Arab countries. The way I look at it if the countries over there
do not want the civilians killed get rid of the terrorists.
The Arabs do not really want to fight, just agervate each other. They
should get in an all out war and get it over with. I am almost for
giving each of those countries a couple of short range nuclear missles
and tell them to eiter shoot or shut up.
There is only one terrorist
It is the US making war away from their bed to sell weapons!
That's the sort of fatuous conspiracy theory that only Cursitor Doom
would take seriously.
Post by Jan Panteltje
That nothanyahoo and shitlensky are sales agents.
Hamas massacred 1200 people at a festival. Netanyahu would have found
that hard to organise that as a sales stunt. The Russian invasion of the
Ukraine would have been even harder for Zelensky to organise.
Post by Jan Panteltje
even kids shooting each other with automatic guns, even at schools.
That's the National Rifle Association - essentially the US hand-gun
manufacturing industry - but they essentially only sell inside the US.
Post by Jan Panteltje
I am not sure evolution has a place for a species like that.
Sadly, the gun violence in the US isn't at a level where it will deplete
enough of the relevant part of the gene pool to make a difference.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Most of the world is uniting now against that US.
Not that anybody sane has noticed.
Post by Jan Panteltje
A trump win may help delay the armageddon but then he wants to attack Iran it seems.
Trump likes Putin and Kim Jong Un. Neither are positive influences.
Trump's influence might keep them in power longer, but that wouldn't
help peace or prosperity.
Post by Jan Panteltje
US is a dead joke anyways, millions without power now due to some storm and flooding
HOW LONG did it have to prepare for that??? Not gives no shit for its own people.
All that weapon industry man power could have build a nice infrastructure.
It did, but global warming knocked quite a lot of it down.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Now California earthquakes are increasing..
Not enough to worry about.
Post by Jan Panteltje
Not even a combined nuclear attack by the rest of the world needed to obliterate that
not so united S (S for shit ;-)?
But keep asking
Darwin applies.
Not here.
Post by Jan Panteltje
No empire lasted forever.
So far. The US isn't actually an empire, and while their political
arrangements are crude and old-fashioned, they aren't as crude and
old-fashioned as those in force in the historical empires that have
failed, and they do have mechanisms that would let them modernise them.
And more modern political arrangements still tolerate creeps like Geert
Wilders. At least he didn't get to be prime minister.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Jan Panteltje
2024-10-04 15:25:58 UTC
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Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
A few innocents were hurt or killed in attacking the Hezbolla
terrorists. That's regrettable but longterm probably many more Israeli
lives were saved. Government and warfare both require brutal
calculations.
The pager thing was very target-specific, as opposed to, say, bunker
buster bombs.
I nevr could get a handle on the innocents in a war. Fine for the US to
firebomb or nuke Japan and kill thousands of people that were not in the
military. But do not kill one or two that are not in the military in
those Arab countries. The way I look at it if the countries over there
do not want the civilians killed get rid of the terrorists.
The Arabs do not really want to fight, just agervate each other. They
should get in an all out war and get it over with. I am almost for
giving each of those countries a couple of short range nuclear missles
and tell them to eiter shoot or shut up.
There is only one terrorist
It is the US making war away from their bed to sell weapons!
That's the sort of fatuous conspiracy theory that only Cursitor Doom
would take seriously.
You have been brain-washed / code been re-written / to the point where you no longer see what's happening.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
That nothanyahoo and shitlensky are sales agents.
Hamas massacred 1200 people at a festival. Netanyahu would have found
that hard to organise that as a sales stunt. The Russian invasion of the
Years ago the land was taken by force from the Palestinians and others who lived there.
Like the YouAsh did with the Native Americans, now living in reservations
where they then were exposed to nuclear testing for example.
youws in is-a-hell have been pestering and killing and deporting Palestinians for decennia,
ever more provoking them by making new illegal settlements
cutting of sea traffic to Palestine, basically suppressing them and abusing them.
People revolt if you do that, Palestinians never give up.
Post by Bill Sloman
Ukraine would have been even harder for Zelensky to organise.
YouAss SeeEyeAah has as mission stirring up unrest all over the world
also so their YouAsh minitary industrial tax payer sucking crap products can be sold.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
even kids shooting each other with automatic guns, even at schools.
That's the National Rifle Association - essentially the US hand-gun
manufacturing industry - but they essentially only sell inside the US.
Not really, in those Carribian islands the rebels are, with help from CIA, using US made weapons.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
I am not sure evolution has a place for a species like that.
Sadly, the gun violence in the US isn't at a level where it will deplete
enough of the relevant part of the gene pool to make a difference.
It is a side effect, if they can sell to their own people they will,
no matter if it kills them.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
Most of the world is uniting now against that US.
Not that anybody sane has noticed.
Well if you only see the teefee down under there, maybe you should buy a new set and a satellite dish.
The media here are censored in a big way.
Assagne like stuff happens when you do real journalism.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
A trump win may help delay the armageddon but then he wants to attack Iran it seems.
Trump likes Putin and Kim Jong Un. Neither are positive influences.
Trump's influence might keep them in power longer, but that wouldn't
help peace or prosperity.
Well trump's departure from a criminal US war in Afghanistan was the start of some peace.
The war criminal half sane military complex puppet byethen and his criminal son
took over and days after he visited Putin the war in youcrane picked up again.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
US is a dead joke anyways, millions without power now due to some storm and flooding
HOW LONG did it have to prepare for that??? Not gives no shit for its own people.
All that weapon industry man power could have build a nice infrastructure.
It did, but global warming knocked quite a lot of it down.
Bull
After the flooding here in the Netherlands the Delta Works were build
No more flooding happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
Now California earthquakes are increasing..
Not enough to worry about.
Wait until December
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
Not even a combined nuclear attack by the rest of the world needed to obliterate that
not so united S (S for shit ;-)?
But keep asking
Darwin applies.
Not here.
Well Darwin has been proven true, also down-under or down below and when you are upside down .
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
No empire lasted forever.
So far. The US isn't actually an empire, and while their political
arrangements are crude and old-fashioned, they aren't as crude and
old-fashioned as those in force in the historical empires that have
failed, and they do have mechanisms that would let them modernise them.
And more modern political arrangements still tolerate creeps like Geert
Wilders. At least he didn't get to be prime minister.
The constant wars by the US make extreme right in Europe ever stronger, look at Germany
it is the _intention_ of the US to weaken Europe the EU, China, any big power, in NATO
to force them to buy crap F35,
Divide and rule is as old as the Romans.
However after Nero playing the fiddle, and Trump twittering it seems history is repeating itself.
History has a habit of ding that
US IQ dropping to an ever lower single digit value...
Its all over now ...
It will - and cannot - recover, greens will take over, all living in grass huts and wigwams
with no transport and no electricity, chasing rats for food..
there is your future.
And then all the fugitives will cross the ocean to Europe and UK.

The dirty war monger YouAsh blew up the North-stream pipeline
I want US to compensate EVERY European who had to pay more for gas for that!
Oil prices are going up again with thread of attack on Iranian oil
US may invade if for imaginary reasone like weapons of mass destruction
like they did invade Iraq and killed Saddam after it got public US had >asked< him to invade Kuwait
THAT's how SeeEyeAAAh works
wake up people, do not be a slave of your criminal 'money is the best thing'
(YouAsh has the largest deficit ever), look for a system that puts PEOPLE's wellbeing first!
Revolt!!
Cursitor Doom
2024-10-04 17:27:12 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
A few innocents were hurt or killed in attacking the Hezbolla
terrorists. That's regrettable but longterm probably many more Israeli
lives were saved. Government and warfare both require brutal
calculations.
The pager thing was very target-specific, as opposed to, say, bunker
buster bombs.
I nevr could get a handle on the innocents in a war. Fine for the US to
firebomb or nuke Japan and kill thousands of people that were not in the
military. But do not kill one or two that are not in the military in
those Arab countries. The way I look at it if the countries over there
do not want the civilians killed get rid of the terrorists.
The Arabs do not really want to fight, just agervate each other. They
should get in an all out war and get it over with. I am almost for
giving each of those countries a couple of short range nuclear missles
and tell them to eiter shoot or shut up.
There is only one terrorist
It is the US making war away from their bed to sell weapons!
That's the sort of fatuous conspiracy theory that only Cursitor Doom
would take seriously.
You have been brain-washed / code been re-written / to the point where you no longer see what's happening.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
That nothanyahoo and shitlensky are sales agents.
Hamas massacred 1200 people at a festival. Netanyahu would have found
that hard to organise that as a sales stunt. The Russian invasion of the
Years ago the land was taken by force from the Palestinians and others who lived there.
Like the YouAsh did with the Native Americans, now living in reservations
where they then were exposed to nuclear testing for example.
youws in is-a-hell have been pestering and killing and deporting Palestinians for decennia,
ever more provoking them by making new illegal settlements
cutting of sea traffic to Palestine, basically suppressing them and abusing them.
People revolt if you do that, Palestinians never give up.
Post by Bill Sloman
Ukraine would have been even harder for Zelensky to organise.
YouAss SeeEyeAah has as mission stirring up unrest all over the world
also so their YouAsh minitary industrial tax payer sucking crap products can be sold.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
even kids shooting each other with automatic guns, even at schools.
That's the National Rifle Association - essentially the US hand-gun
manufacturing industry - but they essentially only sell inside the US.
Not really, in those Carribian islands the rebels are, with help from CIA, using US made weapons.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
I am not sure evolution has a place for a species like that.
Sadly, the gun violence in the US isn't at a level where it will deplete
enough of the relevant part of the gene pool to make a difference.
It is a side effect, if they can sell to their own people they will,
no matter if it kills them.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
Most of the world is uniting now against that US.
Not that anybody sane has noticed.
Well if you only see the teefee down under there, maybe you should buy a new set and a satellite dish.
The media here are censored in a big way.
Assagne like stuff happens when you do real journalism.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
A trump win may help delay the armageddon but then he wants to attack Iran it seems.
Trump likes Putin and Kim Jong Un. Neither are positive influences.
Trump's influence might keep them in power longer, but that wouldn't
help peace or prosperity.
Well trump's departure from a criminal US war in Afghanistan was the start of some peace.
The war criminal half sane military complex puppet byethen and his criminal son
took over and days after he visited Putin the war in youcrane picked up again.
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
US is a dead joke anyways, millions without power now due to some storm and flooding
HOW LONG did it have to prepare for that??? Not gives no shit for its own people.
All that weapon industry man power could have build a nice infrastructure.
It did, but global warming knocked quite a lot of it down.
Bull
After the flooding here in the Netherlands the Delta Works were build
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
Now California earthquakes are increasing..
Not enough to worry about.
Wait until December
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
Not even a combined nuclear attack by the rest of the world needed to obliterate that
not so united S (S for shit ;-)?
But keep asking
Darwin applies.
Not here.
Well Darwin has been proven true, also down-under or down below and when you are upside down .
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
No empire lasted forever.
So far. The US isn't actually an empire, and while their political
arrangements are crude and old-fashioned, they aren't as crude and
old-fashioned as those in force in the historical empires that have
failed, and they do have mechanisms that would let them modernise them.
And more modern political arrangements still tolerate creeps like Geert
Wilders. At least he didn't get to be prime minister.
The constant wars by the US make extreme right in Europe ever stronger, look at Germany
it is the _intention_ of the US to weaken Europe the EU, China, any big power, in NATO
to force them to buy crap F35,
Divide and rule is as old as the Romans.
However after Nero playing the fiddle, and Trump twittering it seems history is repeating itself.
History has a habit of ding that
US IQ dropping to an ever lower single digit value...
Its all over now ...
It will - and cannot - recover, greens will take over, all living in grass huts and wigwams
with no transport and no electricity, chasing rats for food..
there is your future.
And then all the fugitives will cross the ocean to Europe and UK.
The dirty war monger YouAsh blew up the North-stream pipeline
I want US to compensate EVERY European who had to pay more for gas for that!
Oil prices are going up again with thread of attack on Iranian oil
US may invade if for imaginary reasone like weapons of mass destruction
like they did invade Iraq and killed Saddam after it got public US had >asked< him to invade Kuwait
THAT's how SeeEyeAAAh works
wake up people, do not be a slave of your criminal 'money is the best thing'
(YouAsh has the largest deficit ever), look for a system that puts PEOPLE's wellbeing first!
Revolt!!
This is why it's so important that the US gets Trump back in charge.
He's the only one talking about ending all these foreign wars and the
extreme cost of those adventures in blood and treasure has been close
to runious. One day the bond markets will call time on this insane
spending. The ramping up of US sovereign debt over the last few years
has been off the scale. Trillion dollar deficits! It's madness and
ultimately unsustainable.
Bill Sloman
2024-10-05 04:31:02 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
<snip>
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jan Panteltje
The dirty war monger YouAsh blew up the North-stream pipeline
I want US to compensate EVERY European who had to pay more for gas for that!
Oil prices are going up again with thread of attack on Iranian oil
US may invade if for imaginary reasone like weapons of mass destruction
like they did invade Iraq and killed Saddam after it got public US had >asked< him to invade Kuwait
THAT's how SeeEyeAAAh works
wake up people, do not be a slave of your criminal 'money is the best thing'
(YouAsh has the largest deficit ever), look for a system that puts PEOPLE's wellbeing first!
Revolt! >
This is why it's so important that the US gets Trump back in charge.
Cursitor Doom does like his conspiracy theories to be truly fatuous, and
Jan Panteltje can deliver the kind of total idiocy that makes Cursitor
Doom happy.
Post by Cursitor Doom
He's the only one talking about ending all these foreign wars and the
extreme cost of those adventures in blood and treasure has been close
to ruinious.
Really? The US isn't actually fighting anybody at the moment, and
subsidising Israel and the Ukraine is a lot cheaper than fighting a real
war.

Trump doesn't want to spend even that much money where he can't get
kickbacks from it - the Ukraine rejected his request that they prosecute
Hunter Biden, and he still resents it (and the attempt to get him
impeached for trying to do it).
Post by Cursitor Doom
One day the bond markets will call time on this insane
spending. The ramping up of US sovereign debt over the last few years
has been off the scale. Trillion dollar deficits! It's madness and
ultimately unsustainable.
Perhaps. Trump pushed up the US national debt when he was in power by
giving tax cuts to the well off. Financially responsibility isn't his
strong suite - his business history includes a lot of bankruptcies.
Cursitor Doom hasn't noticed that.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Jasen Betts
2024-10-06 00:07:44 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
This is why it's so important that the US gets Trump back in charge.
He's the only one talking about ending all these foreign wars
Talk is cheap, he has a history of not delivering on his promises.
Post by Cursitor Doom
and the extreme cost of those adventures in blood and treasure has
been close to runious.
Really, what is close to ruin? US economy is now stronger that it ever
was under Trump. GOP may be close to ruin, but it seems to be mostly
filled with idiots and grifters.
--
Jasen.
🇺🇦 Слава Україні
Cursitor Doom
2024-10-06 08:02:46 UTC
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On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 00:07:44 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
Post by Jasen Betts
Post by Cursitor Doom
This is why it's so important that the US gets Trump back in charge.
He's the only one talking about ending all these foreign wars
Talk is cheap, he has a history of not delivering on his promises.
At least he doesn't salivate and fake an orgasm when he talks about
war, unlike all the others.
Post by Jasen Betts
Post by Cursitor Doom
and the extreme cost of those adventures in blood and treasure has
been close to runious.
Really, what is close to ruin? US economy is now stronger that it ever
was under Trump. GOP may be close to ruin, but it seems to be mostly
filled with idiots and grifters.
Close to ruin is when the bond markets force up interest rates for
dollar-denominated sovereign debt, forcing government repayments into
unsustainable territory and risk of default.
If you believe the US economy is "stronger than it ever was under
Trump" you must be getting your news from CNN or MSNBC/New York Times
or WaPo.
Bill Sloman
2024-10-06 09:24:47 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 00:07:44 -0000 (UTC), Jasen Betts
Post by Jasen Betts
Post by Cursitor Doom
This is why it's so important that the US gets Trump back in charge.
He's the only one talking about ending all these foreign wars
Talk is cheap, he has a history of not delivering on his promises.
At least he doesn't salivate and fake an orgasm when he talks about
war, unlike all the others.
One of Cursitor Doom's more fatuous claims, and that's a very high level
of fatuity.
Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Jasen Betts
Post by Cursitor Doom
and the extreme cost of those adventures in blood and treasure has
been close to runious.
Really, what is close to ruin? US economy is now stronger that it ever
was under Trump. GOP may be close to ruin, but it seems to be mostly
filled with idiots and grifters.
Close to ruin is when the bond markets force up interest rates for
dollar-denominated sovereign debt, forcing government repayments into
unsustainable territory and risk of default.
There's no obvious risk of default.
Post by Cursitor Doom
If you believe the US economy is "stronger than it ever was under
Trump" you must be getting your news from CNN or MSNBC/New York Times
or WaPo.
Which is to say newspapers that report actual facts, as opposed to the
fatuous fantasies that Cursitor Doom seems to be addicted to.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill Sloman
2024-10-05 04:17:53 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
Post by Bill Sloman
Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
A few innocents were hurt or killed in attacking the Hezbolla
terrorists. That's regrettable but longterm probably many more Israeli
lives were saved. Government and warfare both require brutal
calculations.
The pager thing was very target-specific, as opposed to, say, bunker
buster bombs.
I nevr could get a handle on the innocents in a war. Fine for the US to
firebomb or nuke Japan and kill thousands of people that were not in the
military. But do not kill one or two that are not in the military in
those Arab countries. The way I look at it if the countries over there
do not want the civilians killed get rid of the terrorists.
The Arabs do not really want to fight, just agervate each other. They
should get in an all out war and get it over with. I am almost for
giving each of those countries a couple of short range nuclear missles
and tell them to eiter shoot or shut up.
There is only one terrorist
It is the US making war away from their bed to sell weapons!
That's the sort of fatuous conspiracy theory that only Cursitor Doom
would take seriously.
You have been brain-washed / code been re-written / to the point where you no longer see what's happening.
Or perhaps Jan Panteltje has.

<snipped the rest of his drivel >
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
john larkin
2024-10-04 14:58:21 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
A few innocents were hurt or killed in attacking the Hezbolla
terrorists. That's regrettable but longterm probably many more Israeli
lives were saved. Government and warfare both require brutal
calculations.
The pager thing was very target-specific, as opposed to, say, bunker
buster bombs.
I nevr could get a handle on the innocents in a war. Fine for the US to
firebomb or nuke Japan and kill thousands of people that were not in the
military. But do not kill one or two that are not in the military in
those Arab countries. The way I look at it if the countries over there
do not want the civilians killed get rid of the terrorists.
The Arabs do not really want to fight, just agervate each other. They
should get in an all out war and get it over with. I am almost for
giving each of those countries a couple of short range nuclear missles
and tell them to eiter shoot or shut up.
There is only one terrorist
Yes. Iran.
Post by Jan Panteltje
It is the US making war away from their bed to sell weapons!
That nothanyahoo and shitlensky are sales agents.
even kids shooting each other with automatic guns, even at schools.
That makes news but is rare. Other countries have lunatics using
knives.

The real killer here is Chinese fentanyl.
Post by Jan Panteltje
I am not sure evolution has a place for a species like that.
Most of the world is uniting now against that US
Prowl the world with Street View. Most places now look like a suburb
of Dallas.

And the rim of the USA is a network of people-diodes all pointing in.

Any you speak English fairly well.

I was shopping for Japanese gifts in Ngoya. Everything was western.
All the baseball caps were lettered in English, most from US teams.
The clothes were all Levis and tee shirts. I did find one tiny part of
one store that sold Japanese stuff, staffed by one very lonely old
lady.
Crash Gordon
2024-10-04 20:06:26 UTC
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Post by john larkin
The real killer here is Chinese fentanyl.
Fentanyl is only a problem because of the War On Drugs.

A hundred years ago Americans could buy opium and cocaine legally.
Addiction rates per capita were similar to today. To re-quote a tired
old saw, when blah is illegal only criminals will blah. Criminals care
a lot less about quality and consistency and that's where the danger
appears.

If aspirin were invented today the FDA would never approve it for
over-the-counter sale because it's too dangerous. But it is legal;
consequently I can buy a hundred generic aspirin for five bucks and be
confident that each tablet will actually contain 325mg aspirin and no
fentanyl or arsenic. If aspirin were illegal then 100 "street aspirin"
would cost a lot more than $5 and might contain anything.
--
I'm part of the vast libertarian conspiracy to take over the world and
leave everyone alone.
Cursitor Doom
2024-10-04 23:08:15 UTC
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Post by Crash Gordon
Post by john larkin
The real killer here is Chinese fentanyl.
Fentanyl is only a problem because of the War On Drugs.
A hundred years ago Americans could buy opium and cocaine legally.
Addiction rates per capita were similar to today. To re-quote a tired
old saw, when blah is illegal only criminals will blah. Criminals care
a lot less about quality and consistency and that's where the danger
appears.
If aspirin were invented today the FDA would never approve it for
over-the-counter sale because it's too dangerous. But it is legal;
consequently I can buy a hundred generic aspirin for five bucks and be
confident that each tablet will actually contain 325mg aspirin and no
fentanyl or arsenic. If aspirin were illegal then 100 "street aspirin"
would cost a lot more than $5 and might contain anything.
As a Libertarian myself it's become increasingly clear that any
government 'intervention' is frequently a bad thing. Every time the
government 'declares war' against something, someone or some country,
it typically:

a) achieves nothing or makes things 10X worse, and
b) costs a fortune for the taxpayer with nothing worthwhile to show
for it.

And no lessons ever seem to get learned, either - despite this pattern
recurring over and over and over and over again. :(
Bill Sloman
2024-10-05 04:54:16 UTC
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Post by Cursitor Doom
Post by Crash Gordon
Post by john larkin
The real killer here is Chinese fentanyl.
Fentanyl is only a problem because of the War On Drugs.
A hundred years ago Americans could buy opium and cocaine legally.
Addiction rates per capita were similar to today. To re-quote a tired
old saw, when blah is illegal only criminals will blah. Criminals care
a lot less about quality and consistency and that's where the danger
appears.
If aspirin were invented today the FDA would never approve it for
over-the-counter sale because it's too dangerous. But it is legal;
consequently I can buy a hundred generic aspirin for five bucks and be
confident that each tablet will actually contain 325mg aspirin and no
fentanyl or arsenic. If aspirin were illegal then 100 "street aspirin"
would cost a lot more than $5 and might contain anything.
As a Libertarian myself it's become increasingly clear that any
government 'intervention' is frequently a bad thing.
It is the necessary delusion that reliably sets you up to be a Libertarian.
Post by Cursitor Doom
Every time the
government 'declares war' against something, someone or some country,
a) achieves nothing or makes things 10X worse, and
b) costs a fortune for the taxpayer with nothing worthwhile to show
for it.
Covid-19 didn't fit that pattern. We got a vaccine against it remarkably
quickly, and it's not killing a lot of people any more. People like
Cursitor Doom who swallowed the anti-vaccination myths are still
vulnerable, but herd immunity mostly protects them from winning a Darwin
award.
Post by Cursitor Doom
And no lessons ever seem to get learned, either - despite this pattern
recurring over and over and over and over again. :(
When you are very selective about the the patterns you will recognise,
this can appear to be true.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
Bill Sloman
2024-10-05 04:44:21 UTC
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Post by Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Thu, 3 Oct 2024 10:33:51 -0400) it happened Ralph Mowery
says...
A few innocents were hurt or killed in attacking the Hezbolla
terrorists. That's regrettable but longterm probably many more Israeli
lives were saved. Government and warfare both require brutal
calculations.
The pager thing was very target-specific, as opposed to, say, bunker
buster bombs.
I nevr could get a handle on the innocents in a war. Fine for the US to
firebomb or nuke Japan and kill thousands of people that were not in the
military. But do not kill one or two that are not in the military in
those Arab countries. The way I look at it if the countries over there
do not want the civilians killed get rid of the terrorists.
The Arabs do not really want to fight, just agervate each other. They
should get in an all out war and get it over with. I am almost for
giving each of those countries a couple of short range nuclear missles
and tell them to eiter shoot or shut up.
There is only one terrorist
Yes. Iran.
Post by Jan Panteltje
It is the US making war away from their bed to sell weapons!
That nothanyahoo and shitlensky are sales agents.
even kids shooting each other with automatic guns, even at schools.
That makes news but is rare. Other countries have lunatics using
knives.
The real killer here is Chinese fentanyl.
Fentanyl will kill no matter where it was originally synthesised. What's
killing US addicts is a society that leaves the poor vulnerable to that
kind of temptation. Harm reduction works, but it costs more than the US
is willing to spend on the less-well-off portion of the population.
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Post by Jan Panteltje
I am not sure evolution has a place for a species like that.
Most of the world is uniting now against that US
Prowl the world with Street View. Most places now look like a suburb
of Dallas.
And the rim of the USA is a network of people-diodes all pointing in.
And you speak English fairly well.
American don't.
Post by john larkin
I was shopping for Japanese gifts in Ngoya. Everything was western.
All the baseball caps were lettered in English, most from US teams.
The clothes were all Levis and tee shirts. I did find one tiny part of
one store that sold Japanese stuff, staffed by one very lonely old
lady.
You found your way to a shopping area set up to suck in American tourists.
The lonely little old lady was probably heavily subsidised window dressing.

The tourism industry does make sure that tourists get what they want.

The Australian branch delivers a lot of kangaroos and wallabies. Koala's
are more difficult and platypuses pretty much impossible.
--
Bill Sloman, Sydney
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